Comments on: Not all in the same book, let alone on the same page /blogs/stanford/2013/03/28/not-all-in-the-same-book-let-alone-on-the-same-page/ Stanford is the village of the year... we discover more out it Wed, 07 May 2014 10:55:51 +0200 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5 By: Morag Swanepoel /blogs/stanford/2013/03/28/not-all-in-the-same-book-let-alone-on-the-same-page/#comment-24 Morag Swanepoel Tue, 09 Apr 2013 07:43:42 +0000 /blogs/stanford/?p=107#comment-24 It is a very sad state of affairs but I am pleased to hear that I am not the only person who has issues with our illustrious municipal leaders. This article hits the nail on the head when it comes to describing the attitudes and reactions of the municipality – especially Soli Madekane and Ben Solomon. You didn’t meet the municipal manager – Mnr Groenewald – he is cut from the same cloth. Their referrals always to their framework documents and plans! that are vague and have not been compiled with enough input and conversation with the communities. Their 2011 LED Indaba was well attended but no feedback was given re any of the issues. I have for the past months been at odds with Madekane, Groenewald and Solomon for blocking economic development in Zwelihle – where municipal business premises have been standing empty for nearly 2 years!!!!!!!! Good luck to the Stanford community – they will succeed in spite of the municipality.

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By: Joe Citizen /blogs/stanford/2013/03/28/not-all-in-the-same-book-let-alone-on-the-same-page/#comment-23 Joe Citizen Mon, 08 Apr 2013 16:08:14 +0000 /blogs/stanford/?p=107#comment-23 Great journalism piece! Only too diplomatic! Before I am able to comment fully, the Stanford community including myself need to be exposed to our area manager’s interview with you. This person’s mindset & thoughts directly affect us all!! I urge the writer to please publish soonest!!!

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By: Joe Citizen /blogs/stanford/2013/03/28/not-all-in-the-same-book-let-alone-on-the-same-page/#comment-22 Joe Citizen Mon, 08 Apr 2013 15:44:23 +0000 /blogs/stanford/?p=107#comment-22 Totally agree with Derick’s opinion. High time the Overstrand Municipal employees realize who they work for & accountable to!!

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By: ayn /blogs/stanford/2013/03/28/not-all-in-the-same-book-let-alone-on-the-same-page/#comment-21 ayn Mon, 08 Apr 2013 14:54:24 +0000 /blogs/stanford/?p=107#comment-21 Great piece of writing. I just wish you would publish the interview with our area (municipal) manager of Stanford.
Our local manager is after all our first port to “the centre of excellence”, and the manager’s views directly impact on everything that happens or does not happen in Stanford. Why else is there a local area (municipal) manager?

The Municipality seldom listen to the community and public participation meetings are often scheduled at the most inconvenient of times for the majority of our community, as most of them are at work. Schedule a meeting at 11h00 or at 16h00 and very few people can attend, but at least the municipality can then say that there was a meeting held, just too bad only 5 people attended.

Sometime ago the then Ward Committee, Ratepayers Association and Conservation Trust, as well as a couple of other associations and individuals, lodged objections against a proposal that was advertised. The Ward Councillor submitted a Memorandum of Opposition on behalf of the Ward Committee yet the Municipality blatantly ignored this and all other objections and proceeded with their decision.

Leave to appeal Municipal decisions do exist, as long as you do it within 21 days of the (actual) decision, in this case by the Mayoral Committee. The advert mentioned that “Beswaarmakers sal wel ‘n geleentheid vir appel ontvang”. (Objectors will have the leave to appeal.)
What to do then when, the decision is taken on the 31 March, your registered mail notification, as objector, is dated 29 April, post marked 3rd May at Stanford post office and you receive it only on the 4th May? Conveniently later than the allowed 21 days. Your letter also only mentions that you need to be informed. Nothing is said of your right to appeal the decision.

When the municipality was questioned about this obvious ommission, various answers came back from various departments, all different from the previous one. When challenged about the discrepancies, it was suggested that I read the Municipal Systems Act and a recently released judgement regarding appeal processes, or obtain legal advise on the relevance of the judgement in my case?? Great public relations and service.
In the end, after a year of numerous correspondence backwards and forwards, reading and re-reading of the Municipal Systems Act and said judgement , leave to appeal was finally granted, as proof existed that the Municipality did not follow due process. You still need to pay R1 650 for the “privilege” to appeal their decision. If your appeal is not successful – you forfeit the “deposit”. Needless to say – the Chairman saw it fit to refund my “deposit”. Nothing can be done after the fact about processes not followed. The only option you have is to take it to High Court to reverse a flawed decision.

During the whole process (2009 – 2011) it became quite clear that the Municipality does not follow its own rules and regulations, yet expect the community to abide the Municipal policies and by-laws to the letter. The run-a-round I experienced was nothing but a joke with transparency sorely lacking.

So not only is the parking an issue, or the ovelay zone, or the lack of active marketing, or the transfer centre or the market square or the clearing of plots or “greening initiatives or business opportunities or.community hall or …..there are just too many to mention in one comment.

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By: Derick Erwee (Hermanus) /blogs/stanford/2013/03/28/not-all-in-the-same-book-let-alone-on-the-same-page/#comment-20 Derick Erwee (Hermanus) Mon, 08 Apr 2013 13:09:27 +0000 /blogs/stanford/?p=107#comment-20 One of the ongoing challenges that we face in our society is that public officials forget that they are servants/facilitators elected by the populace and that their salaries/wages are paid for by our taxes. They become a rule unto themselves and forget the spirit of the law. But not all the blame can be laid at their feet – we as the public have become complacent and far too often these public servants get away with their “bulldozing” tactics because we just do not stand up for our rights.
What is heartening to see in all our local communities is that people are tired of being bulldozed and we are working together to stem the tide of official arrogance.
As hard as it is, we all need to start coming together in our communities and working together. If we all just took a little more time to honour and respect each other and take personal responsibility for our actions, not doing harm to another or another’s property, then we would need less and less to look to “the authorities” to run our lives, or let our lives be run by them.

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By: Tracy Paton /blogs/stanford/2013/03/28/not-all-in-the-same-book-let-alone-on-the-same-page/#comment-19 Tracy Paton Mon, 08 Apr 2013 11:04:02 +0000 /blogs/stanford/?p=107#comment-19 “Why not work with citizens rather than over them?”

Hear hear, say I. One of the things a friend recently commented on after a visit to Stanford, was, its just AMAZING how many of you are actively involved in projects etc. She thought it laudable that so many Stanfordians are willing to participate in projects of their choice, in order to make a positive difference.

But do we get met halfway by the authorities? Sadly, not always.

Two years ago I decided to prove that individuals can make a difference, and started a tree planting initiative. I found private sponsors, met with our municipal manager and after discussing locations, we planted over 40 trees. The municipality provided me with a water point, and later helped by lending myself and other volunteers the water trailer, in order to take care of the saplings.

But this summer, a new sewerage line was installed on the riverbank where 10 of those trees were now nicely established. Without contacting anyone involved, 6 of those trees were brutally ripped out the ground by municipal employees, then dumped into a wheelie bin with water, and shoved into the stoor.

Only 3 of the trees stand a chance of survival – I brought them home and only time will tell.

I find this quite unacceptable and totally unnecessary, and I feel that both the trees and the many individuals involved in this project were treated with total disrespect.

So, who is going to replace those trees? That’s six 2.5 m Celtis africana.

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By: Maureen Wolters /blogs/stanford/2013/03/28/not-all-in-the-same-book-let-alone-on-the-same-page/#comment-18 Maureen Wolters Tue, 02 Apr 2013 16:35:44 +0000 /blogs/stanford/?p=107#comment-18 Well, Stanford may be the “Best Village” but no one takes any notice of what the “Stanfordians ” themselves want.
We have been asking for a local Overlay Zone for our Core Conservation Area for years..

The Stanford Heritage Committee, through the Stanford Conservation Trust, has rewritten and rewritten extensive parts of the existing Stanford Zoning Scheme relating to the Core Conservation Area. These suggestions have been given to Riaan Kuchar and the Overstrand Municipality but when the latest Growth Management Plan was started, Stanford was not even asked for their input!

Their main concerns were that the traditional street-capes be encouraged, the roof line height to tie in with the surrounding historical buildings and the 100% coverage of commercial sites in the Core Conservation Area to be reduced.

And of course, “parking”……. Maybe its just as well we have had this “parking” rule otherwise, as the regulations stand, nothing can stop a three-storey, flat roofed Pep Stores going up with 100% coverage right on Queen Victoria Street.

Talking about parking, .. my business complex is on the outskirts of Stanford opposite a little graveyard, but I was stopped trading until I had sufficient demarcated parking bays. ( and a handicapped toilet ) The size of the business was governed by the amount of parking bays we could fit in, Isn’t this the wrong way round?

The municipal “parking” on the street is a disaster and their street-works have made mud of all my grass verges.
They have no demarcated parking and no pavement so why should I have had to?

But, Stanford is still the “Best Village”, and despite all the moans, we are very lucky to have some really great people in our Stanford Building Services Department. Their hands are tied as far as the regulations are concerned, but I really take my hat off to them and their patience.

Where would you find a building inspector personally coming to your office with plans for alterations? STANFORD, of course!

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By: CapeInfo /blogs/stanford/2013/03/28/not-all-in-the-same-book-let-alone-on-the-same-page/#comment-17 CapeInfo Tue, 02 Apr 2013 14:06:17 +0000 /blogs/stanford/?p=107#comment-17 Is there a parking problem? Or is it just part of the bickering, negativity and rules?

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By: Jillian Smith /blogs/stanford/2013/03/28/not-all-in-the-same-book-let-alone-on-the-same-page/#comment-16 Jillian Smith Tue, 02 Apr 2013 13:42:33 +0000 /blogs/stanford/?p=107#comment-16 It’s so sad that in this beautiful village, there is so much bickering and negativity. Especially when it comes to “thinking out the box”. Rules, rules and more rules apply. No vision or encouragement for anyone wishing to open a business. And business we need. We have – just up the road – fellow South African’s who are eating out of dustbins. Any jobs which new businesses would create, would feed another mouth. Stanford was awarded “Best Destination Village”. For visitors to our village, some flags or signage in Queen Victoria Street celebrating this achievement would have been great – and you wonder why we have so successfully “hidden this under a bushel”. Perhaps it would have also encouraged someone to invest here, open a business or something. But probably there are rules about this as well. Parking is a problem and I am pleased that Guy Whittle has commented on this very thorny issue and hopefully some action will be taken.

It would be refreshing to hear “wow, I believe there is a new restaurant, shop, guest house, gift shop opening”. Instead of “its never going to work”

“How would your life be different if…You walked away from gossip and verbal defamation? Let today be the day…You speak only the good you know of other people and encourage others to do the same.” Steve Maraboli

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By: Guy Whittle /blogs/stanford/2013/03/28/not-all-in-the-same-book-let-alone-on-the-same-page/#comment-15 Guy Whittle Tue, 02 Apr 2013 08:59:28 +0000 /blogs/stanford/?p=107#comment-15 I refer to Schalk Van Der Merwe’s (Town Planner Gansbaai) assertion that the parking proposal around the Market Square had been rejected by the Stanford community as incorrect. It has, in fact, never been tested.

The facts in chronological order are as follows :

1. The Stanford Community had registered their concern about the Municipality insisting on imposing “city” parking requirements on Stanford “village” resulting in a number of appropriate developments in Queen Victoria Street being abandoned by the developers.

2. Consultants were appointed by the Municipality to prepare proposals for comment by the community. The proposal indicated paved parking on - yes – on the Market Square. When the Consultant responsible for the proposal was questioned he advised that his brief was to prepare proposals for parking “on the Market Square”

3. This resulted in a counter proposal prepared for consideration by the Stanford community which indicated one way traffic in a counter clockwise direction in both Longmarket and Shortmarket Streets with diagonal parking facing the Market Square.
This was rejected by owners of properties on both Longmarket and Shortmarket streets when presented at an informal meeting in Stanford.

4. Subsequent to this a further proposal was prepared omitting the one-way traffic flow, and replacing the diagonal parking with parallel parking adjoining the Market Square.

This appeared to have informal support from interested and affected parties in Stanford.

6. These proposals were tabled at a meeting with Riaan Kuchar who supported the initiative, but advised that no funding was available for planning, let alone implementation.

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